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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Excellent! Thanks Earl.

    From the plans, it looks like ~5.75 cubic feet in the bottom box and about 2.3 ft in the top section. Are they connected?

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Does anyone have a photo of the 19 with the back covers off? I have been puzzled by the large size of the upper cabinet, yet can find no through connection to the lower cabinet on the drawings.

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike
    Are they connected?
    Yes, Top & Bottom ( chambers ) are connected .

    Here are Gary Ls' ( Gamalot ) custom M19 builds .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary L, over at LHF
    Thanks Zilch. Here goes!
    The baffle is 3/4" as is all other materials.

    THESE ARE ALL INTERIOR MEASUREMENTS!

    Big box- 28 1/2" W X 22 1/2" H X 17 1/2" D

    Small box- 28 1/2" W X 9 1/2" H X 15 1/2" D

    Spacer- 24 1/2" W X 2" H X 15 1/2" D

    This should be as close as I can get to the total interior volume of all three together.

    Please don't trust my math skills here but it looks like 16177.99 CU IN.
    or 9.362262 CU FT.

    Gary
    >< cheers

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Quote Originally Posted by Earl K View Post
    These are certainly readable....
    Interesting, thanks! I must have misread one or more dims on the barely readable set. I now get ~8.353487847 ft^3. Got to go change all my sims now.

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Quote Originally Posted by les winter View Post
    Does anyone have a photo of the 19 with the back covers off?
    IIRC, the only access is through the horn, woofer cutouts and there's a large cutout connecting the two acoustically.

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Hi GM.

    I couldn't find the cut out you are referring to on the plans. Are you certain the cabinets form one big enclosure? It makes sense.

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Pretty certain, but then I was 'certain' I figured its net Vb right too. It's on the plans though, 21" x 10" beginning ~4.5" o.d. from the back, but you can see for yourself assuming GS didn't DIY some : ALTEC pictures by gregorskiff - Photobucket

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Interesting GM, I would have thought that the two assemblies were separate.. Obviously with the horn part being stuffed, and by taking advantage of that additional volume it was needed for the LF driver?, maybe also to keep the cab size from being even bigger? So in reality if someone wanted to go a bit bigger for the LF driver cabinet, the HF part wouldn't matter for that method anymore?

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Correct.

    ??? You can configure it however you want. All that matters is that the driver needs to 'feel' 'X' amount of air spring for a given tuning and response roll-off.

    That said, as the bass bin's aspect ratio moves past a golden or acoustic ratio, the Helmholtz resonance theory begins to break down as it assumes the cab's air mass spring has a ~uniform particle density where the driver and vent location makes no audible difference, so as the aspect ratio increases we begin to see some 1/4 WL TL action in its long dimension and at some point they become strong enough to impact both vent damping and the cab's mid-band response, AKA tower, column and now MLTL, alignments.

    So from this we see that at some point the length becomes long enough for the driver's and vent's location in the cab to be a tuning and response shaping choice and why a typical box design program that is based solely on Helmholtz resonance theory can't accurately sim this type of design.

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    Re: DIY M19 idea's

    Quote Originally Posted by les winter View Post
    Hi GM.

    I couldn't find the cut out you are referring to on the plans. Are you certain the cabinets form one big enclosure? It makes sense.

    The horn section & woofer section connect as so in the picture. Two long bolts on either side. You can just see one of the bolt heads on the left in first pic, nut is at bottom.

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